Saturday, February 20, 2016
I have been battling the urge to return to this blog
regularly for a long time. I think it’s time. Not because I think anything I
have to say is terribly unique, there are others out here that feel as I do and
can probably even say it better, but the voice of liberty bears repeating. It
needs to be repeated as many times, and as often and as loudly as possible,
especially when it is resisted in the way it is right now!
So, I am going to be throwing my thoughts out here with a
few simple goals in mind, so if you want to judge my work, use whatever
standard suits you, but here is what I am trying to achieve.
1.
Clarify my own thoughts and sometimes the best
way for me to do that is to type them out and read them. May sound weird to
you, but that’s how it works for me. I often don’t really know how I feel or
think on an issue until I talk about it.
2.
Fight the decline of freedom. We are in a period
that history teaches us could be the prelude to a very dark period. We are
swinging into a totalitarian mentality. For the past 240 years, America has
still maintained some semblance of peace for most of its citizens, but that may
not be true very soon.
3.
To learn more, and please correct me when I’m
wrong. Not, in that superior way that people with shallow knowledge do, but as
one wisdom seeker to another, when you think you see a clearer path, share it
with me.
4.
To hopefully wake up more people. I have been in
a sleep walking state myself most of my adult life, engaged in artistic
endeavors and attempting to ignore the political and social realm, except to
comment on them from the safety of a theatrical director’s chair.
5.
To forward an agenda. What is my agenda? I am
fighting for an open government. No, that is not the final solution, but
transparency is what will bring about change. People have to be confronted with
what is actually going on in ways
they cannot deny before they start to get it.
To that end, I’m going to be sharing a ton of stuff in the
near future. Yeah, you won’t agree with all of it. I don’t care, except in that
you engage in the debate. You tell me what you think. Think I’m wrong as I can
be? Great! Let’s talk about it, and when you prove to me that I was wrong, then
I’ll write about that! The TRUTH is what matters to me, not anyone system, or
team, or feelings. I want to live in a world with optimum government, whatever
that ends up looking like, and I can see
a few things that it doesn’t and I am going to attack those.
What you won’t see here is me pulling punches. Too much
false “civility” being paraded in politics today. If I think someone is a coward,
or a thief, or a liar, I’ll say it. I’ll
say it, or to their face. I am not an idolater, so what you think of me when I
speak the truth may hurt, but I’m not interested in protecting anyone’s public
persona of they are dirty. Period.
As I continue with my political writing projects with other
activists and grassroots groups, I am learning more and more every day and it’s
just simply time for me to voice my own opinions. In short order you will
either laugh every time my name is mentioned, or you’ll be angry. I’m not
looking for middle ground. We have compromised and accepted less than the best
for 240 years! Time for a Change!
Wednesday, January 6, 2016
Guns. Weapons, arms, whatever term I choose, most of you had
a reaction to that first word. Some of you thought, “hell yeah!”, while some of
you thought, “We need to do something about them.” So, what is the answer here?
Most of us think we know. We are probably convinced that either, nothing needs
to be done, in fact more people need to own them, while others believe there
should be fewer owned under tighter restrictions.
Meanwhile, the debate over this issue caused gun company
stocks to peak, even as Obama’s speech was broadcast to the nation. There is a
divide between us. There are few that have a third opinion, but I would like to
discuss this in a reasonable tone and share some thoughts I have had, so
please, don’t take this post and turn it into a flame war. Be civil. Express
ideas in clear, less than obscene English and let people decide. Whatever your
view point, I hope you agree that all humans deserve the sanctity of their own
thoughts and should not be judged based on thoughts, but deeds.
Amendment
II
A well regulated militia, being
necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and
bear arms, shall not be infringed.
This piece of legislation, known as the second amendment to
the Constitution of the United States of America, has been hotly contested in
recent years, and to a lesser extent, throughout our history, especially since
the last half of the twentieth century. To many, it represents a clear edict
preventing congress from interfering with their rights to own weaponry
privately. Others view the context of militia service as essential and would
rather not have private gun ownership.
Then, there’s the debate over what arms should be included.
Most sane individuals would prefer their neighbors not be allowed to hold
nuclear arms, for example, but might argue in favor of nearly everything up to
a heavy tank. Others feel strongly that capacity, range, velocity, rate of fire
and other factors should be clearly legislated and restricted.
Here is my own take
on this
I’ll keep it brief. From my own reading of history, I find
it incredible that we not understand that a part of what was intended by this
amendment was the right to protect one’s self from enemies foreign and
domestic, including, if need be, one’s own government. After all, these men had
just witnessed a bloody war to set their fellow countrymen free from a tyrannical
government, and restrictions on arms had played a part in it on several
occasions.
I also happen to believe in the sanctity of all human life.
This does not mean I believe that self-defense is never an adequate defense for
the taking of life, I do. There are times when it is necessary, or at the
least, expedient. In my own life, I will strive to find other means, whenever
possible, to deal with situations, rather than resorting to physical force, or
violence of any kind, whether involving guns or not. This is my choice and I
believe reasonable people agree with me that the taking of human life should
never be a first resort. I stand by the principle of non-aggression, to the
best of my understanding of it.
I believe we were
intended to have the right to own personal armaments
I think the right to self-defense is an inherent human
right, that ought not be abridged. I believe that the American Constitution
speaks to this and prohibits congress from passing laws to prevent the keeping
of arms and that the states have a responsibility to ensure this right is protected
as well.
That being said,
there are things that I do not agree with
1.
Many, primarily on the political right, seem to
take this as a right that should be paraded and taken for granted. I do not
think that it should be taken lightly, or made a joke. I think the ability to
take human life represented by gun ownership should be taken seriously. I think
it is a heavy responsibility that requires thought and careful consideration
for each person.
2.
Many, primarily on the political left, seem to
think that a gun, in and of itself, represents the worst kind of evil to be
found in human society. They act as if the mere presence of the weapon puts
them at great personal risk. They have an unhealthy fear that mirrors the lack
of respect often shown from the right, in opposite terms.
3.
There is a context expressed in the
constitution, and even during the revolution, weapons for militia use were
often restricted and kept in an armory. It was common for towns to have rules
regarding the use and carrying of guns. Several western towns, Dodge City
Kansas, most notably, were famous for “check your guns at the door” laws that
prevented the open carrying of firearms to reduce public friction. To pretend
that everyone was willy nilly in favor of personal arsenals being toted through
the grocery store in times gone by is incorrect.
4.
I personally do not trust the federal government
to make decisions about who should and should not be armed. I think they very
likely have ulterior motives for restricting the purchase, ownership and use of
arms. They have proven, on regular occasions to not have the best interest of
their citizens at heart, and to not be good judges of character, or even men
and women of high moral character themselves.
5.
Violence begets violence and approaching this as
something to be shoved in anyone’s face on either side is a less than
thoughtful approach which is likely to end poorly for all of us. Gun owners
should be the first to admit that a firearm is a weighty responsibility and
that there is a lot of inherent risk in the handling of them. That being said,
gun control supporters should probably take the time to become more familiar
with the thing they claim to fight against. They can be handled responsibly and
when used correctly are a tremendous deterrent to violence, or the escalation
of violence.
6.
Any time one side of argument (the fed and our
local and state police forces) wants to increase its own armament, while
reducing the armament of those that they might be called to use their armament
against, it should give us pause. In recent years, we have started a very
public debate about police violence, which appears to be escalating. While I
would hate to see it escalated further, at the time when a potential enemy is
arming themselves, is not the time to reduce your own defenses.
7.
We cannot continue to ignore the fact that the
constitution’s power has been eroded. Now, I am not one who thinks that this
document provides a magic barrier to protect all liberties. It does not. It is
simply an agreement, signed by men who are long dead and gone. It has served us
well in many ways and failed us in others. It is not perfect. But, it is the
foundation of our legal and political systems. It has stood as the final
arbiter of disputes between government and people for over 200 years and as
such, it needs to be respected and used properly. If we want our society to
look different than it does, or has, that can be done, and done legitimately,
but it needs to be done calmly, by cool heads. Simply piling unconstitutional
laws and precedents on top of things, until the truth is obfuscated is not the
answer, for either side.
I do not know the
answer
I, like all of you, want myself, my family and my friends to
live safely in a world where violence is rare. I would love to never open my
browser to find that the world has been tipped on its axis by someone with guns
again, especially when children are involved.
If I believed that ridding the world of guns could achieve
this, I would be the first to support it. I am no fan of violence and I abhor
much of what my government does in my name, for my supposed safety. If I thought
we could rid the world of all weapons tomorrow that would be glorious. I don’t.
Even if it were possible to remove all of the guns from the
world, I don’t think legislation could ever make it happen.
We have a serious
lack of understanding regarding the nature of laws
Laws are not barriers to behavior, at all. They can serve to
deter those inclined to heed them. They are better than allowing despots total
control with no standard. They provide some basis of understanding between
people of reason that want to live in peace. In our country, they are also
supposed to provide some barriers between government regulation and the liberty
of the people. As my Grandfather once told me, “Locks just keep honest people
honest.” In other words, those inclined to harm, or defraud others will do so,
regardless of the law.
No law provides a shield from harm. It can provide for
security measures, one of which is self-defense through use of arms. It can
provide a system for determining guilt or innocence and a framework for
punishing those that choose to transgress them. But a law can never prevent an
act, or make the repercussions of that act disappear, and they only have the
force we give them by our adherence to them.
As we move into a more and more regulated society, we move
away from the liberty provided to original Americans. As each piece of our
personal freedom is eroded, it is added to the growing power of a state that
becomes more and more distant from its people. In this setting, when so many
laws are present, all of our laws lose efficacy by the simple fact that they
cannot all be enforced equally all of the time.
We should be careful
of reducing each other’s freedoms
With every restriction we place on another human life, we
restrict ourselves in that same measure and give just a bit more of autonomy to
the state. Even when we seek to do something good, such as slowing or ending
violence (something I think everyone agrees is a good thing) we can have
unintended consequences.
Even something as simple as jailing even one single person
places a restriction on at least one other, who must now spend their time
enforcing that incarceration and is not available to contribute in our
community in the same way they might have if the law were never transgressed.
As we make choices about what restrictions we are willing to accept and which
are too onerous, we should be careful in our responses to each other.
With every instance of anger over taking our better selves
and producing rage, we reinforce habits that all of us can recognize as
harmful, until our nature changes to one of hate and distrust for those we
disagree with. This can happen even when our motives are pure. By escalating
every conversation to the point of conflict, we create a culture of distrust
and hatred, of intolerance and cruelty that leads us to not just disagree, but
to genuinely not care about anyone else’s point of view.
We are at a tipping
point in our history
It is up to us what happens next. None of what we have done
is irreconcilable, but that may not always be the case. If you read accounts of
what led up to the revolution, or the civil war, it is easy to draw parallels
to the years prior to military violence erupting and today. Tensions are high.
History shows that one conflict can lead to the unleashing of emotions that
cannot be “put back in the bottle” so to speak.
As for me, I can be just an inflammatory as the next guy. I
try to aim it at people who primarily agree with me, to show them when they are
not taking another’s point of view seriously. But, I am just as guilty of
adding fuel to the fire as anyone. In recent days, I have begun to rethink
that. I am trying to find ways to challenge lack of understanding while
promoting peaceful exchange.
In most cases, we are not that far apart from each other in
our understanding of what we ultimately want. We want a world where success is
possible, where personal freedom is protected, where life is valued and selfish,
abusive excess is rare. This can never happen as long as we see ourselves as
two sides of a coin, as diametrically opposed to each other.
We need to look at
desired outcomes
Rather than fighting and debating tactics, perhaps if we
really started telling the story of the world we want to see, we might be
surprised by how much we agree on. Right now, we operate in a very narrow
window of possibilities, where oppositional thinking pits us against each
other. (if you don’t agree with me, you must agree with them) But, in reality,
the ways forward are limitless.
Imagine the world the way you want it to be and try letting
go of the way to get there. It’s tough. We all think we know what should
happen. But, if we can strive to create the circumstances we want to live in,
while allowing others to create theirs, maybe we can find a new way of settling
our disagreements. By sharing our dream of the world we want, and finding those
common threads, maybe we can all find some ways to work together.
Let’s agree to do
this
Let’s try to be kind. Everyone has a hard life. Let’s strive
not to escalate conflict, whenever possible. Let’s fight for what we believe in
with well-reasoned arguments and proposals of real solutions, instead of
political diatribes and platitudes. Let’s think for ourselves and speak from
the heart about how we can make the world a better place and let’s agree to
listen and really hear someone out, then decide whether we agree or not, rather
than bring all of our preconceptions into every single argument. You can always
get angry later, but once you have lost your cool, it is often too late to go
back.
Sunday, November 30, 2014
This conversation just took place on FB between myself, my brother in Dallas, three individuals I do not know but two who revealed themselves as cops. They appear to be with the Oklahoma City Police Department. Please read it, share it, comment on it and spread it. This is no aberration. This is how the majority of officers think these days. This is the problem, the face of the problem and the reason that I cannot blame the looters in Ferguson. Their actions made no sense, but these two right here are the people who show up at your house to harass you when you have a problem.
If I face any backlash in the form of extra police attention from this, I wanted to make sure that the entire conversation was recorded. Please put it out so that it cannot be destroyed or edited. I am sending it to their department.
If I face any backlash in the form of extra police attention from this, I wanted to make sure that the entire conversation was recorded. Please put it out so that it cannot be destroyed or edited. I am sending it to their department.
Watch
the last 60 seconds. He was 12, if you watch the beginning, he is just a
kid in a park, goofing off. Yes, that is a BB gun in his hand. This
officer intended to shoot him before he even left the vehicle. Why? The
dispatch officer was told twice it was a kid and the gun probably was
not real. Never relayed to this rookie. http://www.cleveland.com/…/cleveland_police_officer_shot_1.…
Cleveland police showed the video of the Tamir Rice shooting Wednesday during a press briefing.
cleveland.com
- Tim Morris likes this.
- Tim Morris What kind of idiot felt like this would be a proper follow up to the original story? http://www.cleveland.com/.../tamir_rices_father_has...
Leonard Warner has three domestic violence...cleveland.com 
Tabitha Davis Oh well since his dad is a scumbag that makes it justifiable to kill a 12 yr old! What is wrong with people?!
Tyler Duncan It doesn't matter if it was "probably fake". That is an observation of a passerby. This is a justified shooting. You people are idiots for thinking the officer just wanted to murder a kid. Quit Monday morning arm chair quarter backing these split second decisions you will never have to make. Leave law enforcement to professionals
There is a reason you are not police officers.- Tyler Duncan Why was the orange tip taken off of the gun? I have seen many armed robberies conducted with fake guns, the fact of it being fake doesn't make the robbery disappear.
Steve Morris Tyler you're a fucking idiot. If you think this was justified, you probably need to be locked up for the safety of everyone around you.
Leaving it to the professionals is how we got to this point. Fuck you. Seriously, fuck you.
Jim Lind · Friends with BJ Williams MarshWhat I don't get is steve you have a viable argument that you muttled with the whole fuck you thing I suppose this will warrant a fuck you to me as well but it is what it is.
Kip McEntire · Friends with Steve Morris and 1 otherI'm starting to think we need a non-lethally-armed police force for (almost) all patrolling and initial calls. Only after they have confirmed that an armed officer is needed can they call for one.- Tabitha Davis Tyler your right I don't understand having to make a split second decision that's life or death. I'm sure that's very stressful but it doesn't justify this kind of outcome. These situations are becoming more common. That's not ok. Do I believe this officer just wanted to take a kids life? No probably not but that doesn't change the fact that he pulled up and immediately fired. When I first heard this story I thought hey the gun looked real. Perhaps this was an unfortunate misunderstanding. After all if the officer said put your hands up and the kid reached for a gun what was the officer supposed to do.... ? but watching this video that's not at all what happened. Unless the audio to this video could prove something I'm just not thinking of this was not justified. You could say the officer made a mistake but I can't agree that it was justified. He was a kid acting stupid like kids often do. That does not justify him being shot.
- Kip McEntire · Friends with Steve Morris and 1 otherMark Morris: Sorry for posting here if I shouldn't be. This just showed up in my timeline since Steve is a friend.
Jim: To be (kind of) fair, I don't think Steve was making an argument, so much as he was condemning Tyler for making a stupid argument.
Tabitha: Are these situations more common, or are we just learning about them more now? - Tyler Duncan Ha. Not carry guns to calls. Right when I think you people can't get any more idiotic. Let's take away police rights to protect themselves. I'm going home after my shift. You nut jobs can go join your friends in Ferguson.
- Tyler Duncan I am a police officer. I have more training then you could imagine. I have been in shootings before. So yes I think I know more than you guys that are spoon fed by the media.
Jacob Cole How about we blame the dumb shit parents of this kid who didn't teach him not to point guns, even fake ones, at cops.
Bryan David A stupid argument? You mean an educated point of view? This is the most intense thing you tools probably do in your whole life. You've never had someone shoot at you in a split second. I hope you never do because you're not going to make it and neither are those around you. You're a bunch of imbeciles lacking the balls to face criminals in the real world. This isn't the movies you fools. Multiple calls were made where this kid was pointing the gun at people and they thought it was real. The officer has no legal duty to be shot at first or allow others to die before engaging a threat. The stupidity here asserts children aren't capable of shooting others. How many teenagers and even younger kids have been involved in school shootings? This isn't just a "BB gun." It is a replica of a real gun and side by side looks the same. They have real hello kitty pattern firearms. Keep drinking the koolaid dick weasels. Lord knows you don't have the balls or intelligence to handle half a shift in an officer's shoes. Cowards- Tyler Duncan But I'm the real idiot for debating a stay at home mom and a tiny store owner about law enforcement. Something they believe should be like the Andy Griffith show
- Bryan David Yeah kip, that's brilliant. We have that capability and always know when someone has a gun, knife, bat etc. SMH the stupidity of some people seriously makes me doubt there isn't a hospital dropping babies on their heads. Kip, check the back of yours.
- Bryan David Again Steve, enjoy the safety of being behind a computer. It's the most dangerous thing you do.
- Steve Morris I grew up in neighborhoods where little kids carried real guns in their wastebands. I've been standing a few feet away when a store owner chased a shoplifter out of his store by firing a 45 pistol toward him multiple times. I've hit the ground more than once when automatic fire broke out on my block. None of that could possibly justify the cowardly actions of this cop. The fact that you think it takes balls to drive up and shoot a child makes me sad. You're both pathetic.
You want a real argument?
A) It's not illegal to remove the orange tip from an airsoft or other toy gun.
B) The cop placed himself directly in danger with no options. That was sheer incompetence.
C) The kid has the same rights as the officer under the constitution, and any cop who feels they have or need extra rights should not be a cop because they're a coward.
D) They should have talked to him first. They could have done that from the safety of their car at a distance.
E) They should have evaluated to see if they could use non-lethal force before rolling up and shooting him. - Tyler Duncan Steve morris I wish I could arrest you for larceny of air. Its amazing how brain dead people like you waste good air.
- Bryan David No Steve it is not illegal. Taking that fake firearm without the orange top and shooting someone even if it is a BB gun is still considered assault and battery with a dangerous weapon.
You're so full of crap Steve. Having the balls to roll up with an active shooter or someone which could potentially be one takes courage. Again, stop being ignorant and ignoring the fact children are shooting/murdering people in our current world. Your ignorance astounds me!!!!
By your suggestions and implications, you hitting the ground was cowardly. We go into those situations voluntarily. We aren't the Girl Scouts laying on the ground when crap hits the fan. Cowards like you are on the ground crying like the little bi@$&es they are. - Bryan David Steve, show me where the constitution states you have the right to point firearms at individuals. Also, it is an officer's job to go I to that situation and place himself in harms way/eliminate the threat if necessary.....especially after receiving 911 calls someone is pointing a firearm at people in the park
- Bryan David Also, thank you for demonstrating your ignorance on cars as cover Steve. The vast majority of parts of police cars do not stop pistol ammunition.
- Bryan David Also, it is impossible to differentiate fake guns with real guns like that, especially imitation BB guns you buffoon.
- Tyler Duncan No because it doesn't fit your agenda. I think you should move to mexico. Their police are not as on top of things. I bet its really safe
Hillary Moesinger Harris Obviously without being there or hearing any audio it's hard to say exactly what took place those few seconds, but in defense of the cop, the boy was walking towards their car... the article also says that the cops weren't told the "it's probably a fake" comment that the caller made.- Bryan David Steve, defense is not murder. You're freaking ignorant. If I took a gun into a mall and started pointing it at people, that does not mean I'm not a threat immediately justifiable to be eliminated if I haven't shot someone. Seriously, how stupid are you!!!!?
- Steve Morris You're asserting that cops have rights that ordinary citizens don't have to protect themselves.
I didn't mean to imply the car was completely safe, just far safer than 3 feet from the suspect.
You're abysmally ignorant of how dangerous it actually is to do your job. 27 cops out of nearly a million were killed last year. - Steve Morris Waving a gun in a crowded mall is not nearly the same as waving a BB gun in a park, even if the BB gun looks real.
- Bryan David Bahahahaha Steve just said only 27 cops were killed last year!!! Over 43 have been killed by gunfire alone this year not including federal agents!!!!
Where did I say cops have rights citizens don't? Are you ignorant!!? Or do you just lack any and all forms of reading comprehension/understanding of the law?
A conceal carry holder could legally shoot someone in self defense the second that someone pointed a gun at them in this situation. 
Mark Morris Tyler Duncan you, sir, are full of shit. Here are the stats, and this is including officers who died from every single cause in the line of duty. Line of Duty Deaths: 105
9/11 related illness: 1
Aircraft accident: 1
Automobile accident: 25
Boating accident: 1
Bomb: 1
Drowned: 2
Duty related illness: 1
Electrocuted: 1
Fall: 4
Fire: 1
Gunfire: 30
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 10
Motorcycle accident: 4
Stabbed: 2
Struck by vehicle: 8
Training accident: 2
Vehicle pursuit: 4
Vehicular assault: 5- Steve Morris That 27 is an FBI statistic, moron. From 2013. The claim that a cop is shot and killed nearly every day is blatantly false.
- Tyler Duncan I'm done with this one. Valid proof that you can't fix stupid. But as long as tim stays behind his computer defending the world against in justice on issues he has no clue about.we will all be safe.
- Mark Morris Meanwhile, by various stats, which are not kept officially, the citizen toll for cop gun deaths in 2013 was between 460 (the police say) and nearly 600 according to media sources.
- Bryan David OMG what part of imitation BB guns are the same do you not get? It is labeled a deadly weapon in that sense. Even if it's not shot and is just strictly imitational, it is the same damn thing! They had multiple 911 calls he was pointing it at people you tool!
- Steve Morris I agree that this conversation may be proof that you can't fix stupid. Unfortunately stupid people are drawn to police work likes flies on shit.
- Mark Morris Tyler Duncan this site is a police honor roll, care to dispute it? Line of Duty Deaths: 105
9/11 related illness: 1
Aircraft accident: 1
Automobile accident: 25
Boating accident: 1
Bomb: 1
Drowned: 2
Duty related illness: 1
Electrocuted: 1
Fall: 4
Fire: 1
Gunfire: 30
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 10
Motorcycle accident: 4
Stabbed: 2
Struck by vehicle: 8
Training accident: 2
Vehicle pursuit: 4
Vehicular assault: 5 - Mark Morris Line of Duty Deaths: 1059/11 related illness: 1Aircraft accident: 1Automobile accident: 25Boating accident: 1Bomb: 1Drowned: 2Duty related illness: 1Electrocuted: 1Fall: 4Fire: 1Gunfire: 30Gunfire (Accidental): 2Heart attack: 10Motorcycle accident: 4Stabbed: 2Struck by vehicle: 8Training accident: 2Vehicle pursuit: 4Vehicular assault: 5
- Bryan David No you dumbass!!! It is from the officer down page for the current fiscal year....DUMBASS
- Hillary Moesinger Harris Steve I think we'd be in a more dangerous place if the offenders have to fire first before the cops or everyday citizens are allowed to defend themselves... You best believe if I ever get attacked in a parking lot at night I won't be asking any questions... just saying.
- Mark Morris Tyler Duncan that comes from a list with names, and causes, here: http://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2013 which is way more than they are willing to do for the citizens they execute without even charging them with a crime, forget trial. Meanwhile, the actual deaths by court mandated execution are under 50 per year.
So far this year, 105 law enforcement officers have died in the line of duty.odmp.org - Bryan David Yeah Mark, the cops in those instances should have allowed themselves to be shot instead. You're so stupid!!!! An officer has no legal duty to allow himself to be fired upon first. Stick to watching movies and giving each other hand jobs mark and Steve.
By the way, Officer Duncan had someone fire at him when he exited his car and tried to talk to them. Your suggestions have been proved ignorant!!! - Bryan David Yeah, shooting someone after they pull a gun on you is so wrong and murder. Thank God you idiots work in grocery stores or whatever you do. You would be dead otherwise.
- Mark Morris Bryan David I was responding to the idiotic statement that one cop per day gets shot and killed. More like less than one very 10 days, meanwhile, more than one citizen per day continues to lose their lives. Am I arguing that all of these were innocently minding their own business when they were shot down in cold blood, hell no. I hear of cases all the time where cops shoot someone justly. This video, in my opinion, does depict that at all.
- Bryan David Yes you did Steve!!! This has been your argument the entire time. They should try to talk someone down who is armed with a gun first. They have no legal right to shoot etc.
- Mark Morris Okay, wow, great use of language there Bryan David. Where is your statistical information, or at least one fricking intelligent statement, instead of this BS cops are always in the right crap.
- Steve Morris Never said they have no legal right. They absolutely should assess and try to talk the person down. The only time they should come in with guns blazing is when the suspect is already shooting.
- Mark Morris BTW, even one cop shot dead while legitimately doing their duty is one too many. But, you have to look at both sides of the equation to find a solution.
- Mark Morris There was no one else in that park. If you want to get right down to it, the cops puts themselves "in harm's way", except, it was a freaking toy!
- Bryan David Mark, wtf are you talking about dumb ass!?!!! My whole argument has been intelligent. Yours is based on not an officer does from gunfire daily. This is due to training you imbecile!!!! Officers are fired on all the time. Just because they don't die etc doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
- Bryan David BB guns and BB guns designed as imitationals are not just toys. There is a reason a convicted felon can't legally own imitationals or BB guns. If you shot someone with a BB gun, you would be charged ADW felony
- Hillary Moesinger Harris I get what Mark is saying about the cops probably should have pulled up farther away, then maybe they could have said something to the kid, but considering the kid had been pointing the bb gun at people previously, he might very well have pointed it at them anyways, you can't see his hands when the cops pull up... I think the parents should really be blamed here, they obviously haven't taught their child gun safety...
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BB guns are just toys. Let's forget the imitational argument. They can't kill people....See Morem.wave3.com - Bryan David http://m.nydailynews.com/.../calif-woman-killed-boyfriend...
A California mom-of-two was shot dead by her own...nydailynews.com - Bryan David http://www.cbs46.com/.../1-year-old-child-shot-with-bb...
An 18-month-old toddler was killed after being shot in...cbs46.com|By Mandi Milligan, Terrance Kelly 
Will Higgins This whole argument is horseshit. If the kid wasn't waiving a realistic looking toy gun in public in the first place, then this wouldn't have happened. Where were this kids parents, why was he allowed to have a BB gun or anything else for that matter without supervision? Why was he waiving it in public? If the gun were bright green then this would have been wrong, but it wasn't, it was black.- Bryan David http://m.wmctv.com/wmctv/pm_/contentdetail.htm...
Do I need to continue posting examplesWMCTVm.wmctv.com - Tyler Duncan Just give up Bryan. They will be grateful one day when they have to call police to bail them out of a situation. When their cowardice kicks in they will understand. Until then we should let them jump on the popular bandwagon and act oppressed like they live in Nazi Germany.
- Mark Morris CARRYING A BB GUN IS NOT CAUSE FOR THE DEATH PENALTY TO BE ENFORCED AND IDIOTS WHO CAN SHRUG THIS SHIT OFF AS PERFECTLY REASONABLE ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS DAMN COUNTRY. Tyler, I pray to God a mouth breather like yourself will never stand between me and the threat of a twelve year old boy with a bb gun. You are a prime example of the problem. You believe you would be justified in killing this child. May God have mercy on your sick, sick, soul. We are oppressed, by jack booted thugs like yourself, which you have proven to be, because your concern is definitely not with the citizenry you swore an oath to protect, or the constitution you swore an oath to defend. I am afraid, that in the end, the likes of you will turn out to be right, not because you are, but because the rest of us will refuse to think as if it is okay to slaughter you at our own discretion. You keep doing what they tell you, like a good little lap dog, and you will find yourself policing in a state that makes Nazi Germany look like a Summer camp, but come to think of,it, that seems to be okay with you. Why don't you occasionally pick up a history book and realize that you cannot have a police state with free citizens in it. The two are mutually exclusive.
- Will Higgins Mark, I guess you are a authority on Nazism. Because last time I checked we weren't sending people to death camps. If you think that you are living in a police state, then by all means move to somewhere that you believe is free.
This isn't about nazi's, authoritarianism, or even race. It's about ignorance, and that's it. - Bryan David ^^^^i thought I smelled shit, it was just Mark continuing to lie and go on and on with his psycho babble BS. Thank God he hides behind the safety of a computer and never faces anything in real life. What a coward!!! Mark, if you ever defend your family after someone points an imitation gun at them or a BB gun, which legally is considered a deadly weapon, I hope I'm on your jury. I also hope if someone "fake attacks" someone and you step in, you're charged with every charge there is. You're an inexperienced imbecile with no life experience. You give humans a bad name.
Mark, you've inspired me to do a study on regressive evolution. After reading your posts I'm convinced we as humans are regressing. - Bryan David Nahhhhh how could his concern be with the citizenry after he would drive up into a situation where someone is pointing what looks like a 9,.40, .45 handgun without thinking about his own safety. I mean, he should do what you do and call 911 then hide!
- Bryan David Hey I have an idea, take a screen shot of Mark's business and spread the word it is ran by a man with an anti police agenda!
Tyler Duncan Apparently mark is a blogger, he is posting this on his site and editing stuff out saying that we are examples of aggressive cops.
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